RE: Shocking!

[Krishna C Tripathi <krishnact@yahoo.com>]

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  I think we should ban preaching religion. Though
people should be allowed to follow their own system of
beleifs whether they are defined or undefined
organized or unorganized.

Note: For those who say this is against feedom of
expression. These religions forbid worship of other
gods. So they don't believe in freedom of expression
themselves  and should not be allowed to take
advantage of this axiom. X is only for those who
beleive in X. Freedom of Expression whould be only for
those who beleive in Freedom of Expression.
--- "Sunil, Mogadati" <m.sunil@barco.com> wrote:
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> You are perhaps right about the "restricted" nature
> of Christianity.
> Yet, we need to ponder if we can get away with
> restrictions
> in a pursuit of truth and holiness?
> Should we not seek to purge harmful superstitions
> and evil, that
> has always been part of religious practices of all
> the religions of this
> world?
> Is it not possible that a absolutely Holy God, if
> exists, forbids
> worship of anything/anyone lesser?
> The fact that we are free-thinking human beings,
> entails some
> moral responsibilities too and if we choose to take
> the responsibilities
> seriously, we are actually choosing to take a
> "restrictive" path
> (at least in this sense of seeking truth and
> holiness as against the
> elements of superstition and profanity).
>
> Sunil.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Jiyalal S. [SMTP:jekins@vsnl.net]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 17, 2000 12:42 AM
> > To:	debate@indiapolicy.org
> > Subject:	Re: Shocking!
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> > Shocking it is and has been all along. But we the
> neo secularists have our
> > eyes shut by our convent educational background.
> All along during our
> > education, we have been looked down upon by our
> educator missionaries as
> > we
> > are people who would refuse to convert to the
> "most modern and
> > international
> > religion, christianity that has come to save the
> people of India from its
> > old, superstitious, castetist 'religion' called
> Hinduism"
> >
> > If you ask any enlightened Indian, Hindu or not,
> whether Hindus ever need
> > to
> > have converted from an all encompassing, free
> thinking 'way of life' into
> > which they were born i.e. Hinduism, they will tell
> you that conversion
> > need
> > not have taken place in the first place! Indians
> left to themselves would
> > not have converted, at least into a more
> restrictive regimen called
> > religion
> > after having lived in a free state of mind. Had
> 'Force' of state power and
> > money not been used, it is illogical to find
> people in such large numbers
> > tying their hands up into the a new religion of
> their 'choice' born less
> > than 2000 years ago and not even having any
> revolutionary thoughts to
> > offer.
> >
> > Hinduism by its very character does not restrict
> you to follow any
> > particular form of worship or God's name, much
> less a godman's name.
> > If there are 36 crore gods it just represents the
> fertility of the human
> > mind when left free to choose one's own God to
> worship. Regimentation is
> > the
> > last thing recommended by the vedas or our
> thinkers, the rishis. But by
> > the
> > same token, Hinduism would not even stop voluntary
> conversion. Each Hindu
> > sect (and those who do not like to call themselves
> Hindus, namely
> > Buddhists,
> > Jains, Sikhs) is after all a group of converts
> from basic Hinduism. So
> > there
> > should be no objection to conversion per se.
> >
> > Then what is shocking us. The shocking part is
> that large sums of money
> > should be pumped into the country for the purpose
> of quick and fly by
> > night
> > conversion activity that too by foreign elements,
> and official apathy in
> > claiming that no foreign missionaries are given
> visas to enter the country
> > in the recent past. And we the neo secularists are
> busy castigating the
> > RSS/VHP for crimes against minorities which
> perhaps they have never
> > committed. Yes, they have criticised the 'alleged
> forcible conversions'
> > and
> > asked these to be banned. Although I have nothing
> to do with their
> > ideologies, I feel that there is some merit in
> their demand for an
> > immediate
> > stop or at least lawful regulation to proactive
> conversion activity.
> >
> > It has been seen that whenever any area in India
> has a majority of any
> > minority religion, it becomes the Hub of illegal
> secessionist activity
> > sponsored by unfriendly foreign powers. Kashmir,
> Punjab Northeast are
> > examples.
> >
> > Although it would be unfair to ban all conversion
> from your present faith,
> > Law should regulate the activity to ensure that
> the decision to convert
> > was
> > the individual's own and not the statistic of
> success story of a
> > missionary
> > (definitely not a foreign missionary). I am amazed
> how Indian missionaries
> > have decided to collectively pounce upon the RSS
> for suggesting formation
> > of
> > an Indian Church. It is a perfectly fine idea if
> we stop being biased
> > against Hindu
> > organisations. The Vatican and Pope have done a
> disservice to Humanity by
> > calling to redouble efforts at conversion to
> christianity. Why should
> > Indian
> > Catholics not behave as Indians by rejecting the
> conversion diktat of the
> > Vatican and strive to spread christianity
> vertically and convert only
> > those individuals who have really decided for
> themselves to convert rather
> > than offer inducements to convert shaky people to
> fill statistics to show
> > their foriegn masters?
> >
> > I would suggest that we evolve a consensus to have
> a 'Conversion
> > Commission'
> > like Minorities and Human rights Commissions. This
> Commission should have
> > the right to declare any doubtful conversion null
> and void legally and
> > also
> > hear complaints of 'Forcible' or 'Proactive'
> conversion activity and
> > should
> > have the status of a legal body. Let political
> parties think of the future
> > of the country rather than pander to missionaries
> desires in return for a
> > few votes of minorities. The Indian minorities
> have the capability to rise
> > above their organised religious heads' demands and
> show their true
> > Indianess.
> >
> > S.Jiyalal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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