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Abhijeet - you are on the dot.
Umesh and N. Vittal are living in a dreamworld on this topic. Just show me
your calculations, Sir. You want me to make a major loss to serve you? Did
you not hear Indrajit Barua, and old IIT Kharagpur engineer, who talks much
sense and has impeccable ethical standards, but refused to join Assam
politics a few years ago when offered, because of this issue. And my close
relative from Assam whose morals are considered v. poor inside family
circles was the President of India's ruling party in Assam till recently.
Not one REALLY good and capable person is entering politics now-a-days and
succeedig. Our Rajat Guptas and top professors are all outside India's
"system".
At 06:37 AM 7/19/00 -0700, Abhijeet wrote:
>Dude,
>
>You fail to distinguish between those who care and those who are capable.
>If your only son needs heart surgery, will you perform it, because you
>"care" for him, or will you "care" enough to gather money to pay the best
>heart surgeon to do it. Mind you the surgeon does not "care" about your
>son. He will perform his duties because he is an extremely good heart
>surgeon, and gets paid his due.
>
>You scoff at my number. Right now, my friends who graduated from IITB class
>fo 94, have a mean salary of $150 - 200K/annum here in the US. They have
>graduated from the best MBA and Public Policy schools, Harvard, MIT and
>INSEAD. While all of them cared for their country, they cared for
>themselves more. In a few years from now, they doubtless will earn a lot
>more, probably in the millions. In a few years armed with skills and real
>world corporate experience, they will be more capable than the average
>politician or than the average person on the street who "cares" for his
>country, to fix the "rot" as you put it. ********The question is not
>whether they will care enough to quit their cushy jobs and come and serve
>their country because of some sense of public duty. The question is will
>you "care" enough to come up with the money to pay them to fix your
>country??? ********* Capable people are in short supply, not people who
>care. Every tom dick and harry cares about his goddamned country. Gandhi
>came once in 1000 years, you can continue to wait another 1000 for him, or
>you can cough up the money for the 100's of capable bright youngsters who
>graduate every year from your best schools and entice them into public
>service. They dont need to "equate their well-being with the well being of
>the society they live in" as you put it, because other societies that
>recognize their value will draw them away. They have a choice of societies.
> Bill Clinton and Hillary are Rhodes scholars. George Bush has a Harvard
>MBA (at least 1st year). Tony Blair is an ex-McKinseyite (McKinsey is the
>premier strategy consulting firm in the world). Something draws them to
>serve their country. But I can assure you nothing draws Rajat Gupta (The
>CEO of McKinsey) to run for office in India.
>
>Someone else is complaining about the 30K rupees that the IAS people get
>paid now in India. Which world are you living in?? My friends from IIM-A
>and IIM-C were offered 50 - 60 K rupees a month for entry level jobs. And
>this was three years ago!!!! And you want brilliant people to work as
>secretaries of state or formulate good policy for you at 30K Rs a month
>after slogging for 10 - 15 years in the IAS bureacracy. Wake up man!!! You
>get what you pay for. There is a reason a porche costs more than a ford
>taurus.
>
>Later
>AP
>
>
>
>
>--- Chetna & Umesh Tiwari <chetna.umesh@usa.net> wrote:
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>> I agree 100%. This is the basic flaw in the thinking of those who wish to
>> solve every problem of public ethics or morality and the sense of public
>> duty
>> by doling out money.
>>
>> Those who dare to get involved and do something about fixing the rot in
>> public
>> life are already there on ground zero, and doing as much as an
>> insignificant
>> minority of them can do. If you care to pay attention, you can certainly
>> locate them around you.
>>
>> Other then that, the rest is matter of individual perspective. You can
>> either
>> call it our misfortune as a society that anti-social elements rule us, or
>> you
>> can also say this is exactly what we deserve until we as a society learn
>> to
>> relate our own well being with the health of the society we live in. Only
>> then
>> will we be compelled to get involved, only then a father will not teach
>> his
>> son to stay away from public life or politics, only then will we pay
>> attention
>> to the daily activities of our public officials, and only then will we
>> make
>> educated decisions at the time of electing public officials.
>>
>> Until that happens, those who live in perpetual prosperity thanks to
>> ignorant
>> masses and flourishing black money business won't have to worry or
>> complain,
>> and those who have been living miserable lives for centuries will continue
>> to
>> do so without complaining. The later kind have a saying in my village:
>> "Kou
>> Nrup Hoi Hamahi Ka Haani, Cheri Chhadi Kab Hob Ki Raani" ("Whoever becomes
>> the
>> king why do I care (or what's my loss?), cuz whatever is the case, I will
>> remain the servent that I am,I am not going to be a queen")
>>
>> Either of the two kind described here are likely to fight to have a good
>> clean
>> government of their chosen reprensetatives. The responsibility lies with a
>> very thin minority of "others" who care, and very few of those who think
>> they
>> care, are really willing to work for it without showing first a wish list
>> as
>> to what they seek to gain personally in return (like Rs.30,000 or Rs
>> 175,000
>> per month).
>>
>> God save India!
>>
>> Umesh Tiwari
>>
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